http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/23/opinion/dorfman-cheney-torture/index.html
“By refusing to investigate, let alone prosecute, members of the Bush administration who stand accused by many human rights activists of crimes against humanity, the United States is telling the world that it does not obey the treaties it has signed or even its own domestic laws. It is declaring that some of its citizens — the most influential of these citizens — are beyond the reach of the law. It is joining a group of rogue nations that routinely torture and humiliate their prisoners and deny them habeas corpus.
“It is difficult to exaggerate how much this harms the United States — a country that throws out the window thousands of years of progress in defining what it means to be human, what it means to have rights due to the mere fact of being human.”
- Q.E.D. freedom
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See my post on CE under "They're Fighting Back."
I no longer think much of the human race. We deserve ...
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Ugly things happen in wartime. Torture is not the only one. Some torture to routinely intimidate and terrorize ...
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Help me understand then - what separates the good guys from the bad guys? Since the US no longer ...
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There is only one good, and that is survival.
Everything else is two bit semantics created by people to make them ...
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There are no good guys or bad guys.
Some guys are just better than others.
Evil in America did not start ...
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Some interesting points, and they don't answer the question. If there is not "liberty and justice for all", if ...
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You're not the first honest man to be blindsided by the bottomless well of self-serving hypocrisy represented by the jingoists ...
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You're right, of course. My current attitudes mirror those of my youth, when I believed the "jingoists and chauvinists ...
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VERY POWERFUL BOWZ! Wish more people could read you! The ones I chat with elsewhere would LOVE to hear your ...
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Hi again Lindy. Good that our paths crossed when they did. I have posted only rarely here in ...
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Well, it appears we once again have someone here to serve as a counter to TB's right wing posts. I ...
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Nope. You Da Man, ER. Your endless patience and unerring logic carries the day. While I regard ...
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I believe that capital punishment should be reserved solely for corporate crimes.
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I believe that capital punishment should be reserved solely for corporate crimes.
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Nope. You Da Man, ER. Your endless patience and unerring logic carries the day. While I regard ...
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Hi again Lindy. Good that our paths crossed when they did. I have posted only rarely here in ...
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VERY POWERFUL BOWZ! Wish more people could read you! The ones I chat with elsewhere would LOVE to hear your ...
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You're right, of course. My current attitudes mirror those of my youth, when I believed the "jingoists and chauvinists ...
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You're not the first honest man to be blindsided by the bottomless well of self-serving hypocrisy represented by the jingoists ...
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You got it. The bad guys is us. All of us. The actual period of time when ...
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There is only one good, and that is survival.
Everything else is two bit semantics created by people to make them ...
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Very deep perspective as always, ER.
My answer to that would be to look for alternative methods of finding info. ...
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I'm sorry, VRB. But there is no easy fix to this moral dilemma. There is no technological solution ...
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I suppose then, that living with sin is as much a part of life as living with virtue.
...
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Well, living with sin is certainly more fun.
One of the really nasty things about getting old is finally realizing just ...
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It does give you the opportunity of seeing the aftermath of your decisions played out decades later. I guess ...
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The people who do the torturing always define the crimes of the tortured. And they always define them in ...
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Then the only cure is constant revolution. Or at least a open government (US doesn't count).
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Then the only cure is constant revolution. Or at least a open government (US doesn't count).
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The people who do the torturing always define the crimes of the tortured. And they always define them in ...
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It does give you the opportunity of seeing the aftermath of your decisions played out decades later. I guess ...
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Well, living with sin is certainly more fun.
One of the really nasty things about getting old is finally realizing just ...
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I suppose then, that living with sin is as much a part of life as living with virtue.
...
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>"Cheney and his gang were loathesome and foul creatures."
Hey ER, I agree with you. Nice to see some things haven't ...
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Hey there, Lindy, delighted to see you 'round the Zone. Haven't seen you since the jump to HZ-Wordpress. When longterm ...
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Thanks for Editor status, whatever that is. I don't want it or need it, so I can never be accused ...
- In my continually annoying scientific bent, yearning always for new experiments, I long ago decided that anytime I am in ...
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Is this a different house than the one you had before (the one you showed pictures of out the windows)? ...
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Just logging back in, this place looks unfamiliar already to me, now that I can edit posts. I like SIMPLE. ...
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You've probably done a smart thing moving out there. You want to do what you can to make it ...
- Hey Tom, yes... getting self sufficient is one of my goals....having a garden, being closer to local tailgate markets and ...
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You've probably done a smart thing moving out there. You want to do what you can to make it ...
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Just logging back in, this place looks unfamiliar already to me, now that I can edit posts. I like SIMPLE. ...
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Thanks for Editor status, whatever that is. I don't want it or need it, so I can never be accused ...
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Hi there. Nice to read you. Did you know there was a dance named after you?
Arf
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Yeah, of course...before me tho. I see there a few new posters, and a few of the old ones are ...
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Ummmm..... ...
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I though VCB was was your shortform abbreviation. Don't tell me there's a VCB here as well?
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Actually, we use VRB for Velociraptorblade. He is a very welcome newby, just off to his Frosh year at ...
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The OLD MSNBC Space Science board had a poster there by the same name....Velociraptorblade. I thought this might be ...
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VRB would have been maybe 4 or 5 years old so I doubt it. He's precocious but not THAT ...
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I'll have to read his posts....odd he would pick the same name. The original was WAAY in the loop....
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Wait.... He had the exact same tag as me!? This is something I've gotta see. The odds have ...
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I'm sure Robert has DamnTikiWiki archived but to my knowledge, we don't have access to it.
Lindy, if you click on ...
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Quick question: Does anyone remember what URL the MSNBC Space Science board was?
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Clicking a name takes you to what is basically that user's blog page, with all the posts they have made ...
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Clicking on the user name on the main page creates what is actually a pretty cool layout - kind of ...
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I'd like to see that page individualized, with your own blogroll, title graphic, etc.
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I'd like to see that page individualized, with your own blogroll, title graphic, etc.
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Clicking on the user name on the main page creates what is actually a pretty cool layout - kind of ...
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Quick question: Does anyone remember what URL the MSNBC Space Science board was?
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I'm sure Robert has DamnTikiWiki archived but to my knowledge, we don't have access to it.
Lindy, if you click on ...
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Nothing loopy about VRB. ;) He's got a good head on his shoulders.
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Wait.... He had the exact same tag as me!? This is something I've gotta see. The odds have ...
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I'll have to read his posts....odd he would pick the same name. The original was WAAY in the loop....
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VRB would have been maybe 4 or 5 years old so I doubt it. He's precocious but not THAT ...
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The OLD MSNBC Space Science board had a poster there by the same name....Velociraptorblade. I thought this might be ...
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Actually, we use VRB for Velociraptorblade. He is a very welcome newby, just off to his Frosh year at ...
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I though VCB was was your shortform abbreviation. Don't tell me there's a VCB here as well?
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Ummmm..... ...
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You remember Lindy. She was always one of your biggest fans!
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Yeah, glad to see the old dog is back! LOL Biting at your heels.....
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Yeah, glad to see the old dog is back! LOL Biting at your heels.....
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Yeah, of course...before me tho. I see there a few new posters, and a few of the old ones are ...
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Welcome back. You have indeed been missed. I realize I had my own share of good natured fun ...
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Wow, ER....what a statement coming from you! I know most of your taunts were good natured. You're highly intelligent, but ...
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No tan calvo que se le vean los sesos.
I'm afraid you're still a ways ahead of this crowd. You ...
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>"You know us We already have all the answers.."
Funny! Thanks.
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>"You know us We already have all the answers.."
Funny! Thanks.
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No tan calvo que se le vean los sesos.
I'm afraid you're still a ways ahead of this crowd. You ...
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Wow, ER....what a statement coming from you! I know most of your taunts were good natured. You're highly intelligent, but ...
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Hi Lindy. Nice to see you.
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DITTO!!!
Of course I see you all the time...;)
- Hi Eri, haven't even had ONE martini since we last spoke, but I still watch Max Keiser and think he's ...
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Ditto! Sit down and raise a few.
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Hi TB, hope you and yours are doing well; yes I may drop in again...
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I might add that I may ONLY on post on Flame, because I don't like being censored or having to ...
- Hi, missed you and I have thought of you from time to time, usually when some idiotic story came up. ...
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Note that there is a "Mysteries of the Multiverse" board that was specifically designed for "off the beaten path" speculative ...
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Where is it?
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Found it, I'm just running around inside here, clicking on buttons and finding out where they take me.
Can you ...
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We've all gotten used to the new interface, but for the first few weeks onboard we were still knocking our ...
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To be a bit more specific, he means the software update link at the top that says "Wordpress 3.2.1 is ...
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Thanks, TB, I could have been more clear about that!
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Thanks, TB, I could have been more clear about that!
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To be a bit more specific, he means the software update link at the top that says "Wordpress 3.2.1 is ...
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The posting function allows you to link to online pictures as usual. The comment function on the main page ...
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We've all gotten used to the new interface, but for the first few weeks onboard we were still knocking our ...
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I'm assuming Podrock will snap you into editor mode if he hasn't already. If you go to "habitablezone.com" you ...
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Found it, I'm just running around inside here, clicking on buttons and finding out where they take me.
Can you ...
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Where is it?
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I might add that I may ONLY on post on Flame, because I don't like being censored or having to ...
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Hi TB, hope you and yours are doing well; yes I may drop in again...
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DITTO!!!
Of course I see you all the time...;)
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Hey there, Lindy, delighted to see you 'round the Zone. Haven't seen you since the jump to HZ-Wordpress. When longterm ...
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I'm sorry, VRB. But there is no easy fix to this moral dilemma. There is no technological solution ...
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Help me understand then - what separates the good guys from the bad guys? Since the US no longer ...