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60 Minutes retracts Benghazi report by hank November 9, 2013 6:13 am

Um, we actually "do" know what happened in Benghazi. by RobVG 2013-11-09 10:50:20
- Lying is usually sufficient to disqualify you from being a source. by alcaray 2013-11-09 15:07:19
  - Not when the source's lies are essential to preserve conservative dogma. n/t by hank 2013-11-09 16:27:45
    - Remember that Iraqi expatriot who informed the Bush admin about all the WMD programs in Iraq? by alcaray 2013-11-09 16:37:36
      - And of course . . . by DanS 2013-11-09 21:08:07
        
        So you would trust Saddam's word??? by alcaray 2013-11-09 23:37:21
        
        Hardly . . . by DanS 2013-11-10 09:02:23
        
        Impeaching the witness was what I thought we were talking about. by alcaray 2013-11-10 10:23:38
        
        Simply history. (n/t) by DanS 2013-11-10 10:29:11
- If I laogh too hard, it really hurts . . . by DanS 2013-11-09 13:07:23
- There's a small problem with the liberal thinking process here. by TB 2013-11-09 12:56:08

Lord help me, by podrock November 7, 2013 7:36 pm

There are a lot out there like him. The Pope is just the one they take pictures of. by TB 2013-11-08 08:13:31
Yep. by bowser 2013-11-07 20:09:32
- Many fear change. by alcaray 2013-11-07 23:05:02

Massive sting operation on internet child abuse by TB November 4, 2013 4:55 pm

Sharp! (n/t) by DanS 2013-11-07 13:08:22
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! by Jody 2013-11-04 19:15:24

Important info (though not the proof or the statistics that we are waiting for) by alcaray November 4, 2013 12:31 pm

Cool by RobVG 2013-11-04 20:49:07
- "Deceit" by TB 2013-11-04 21:20:41
  - What occupies my mind and in what percentages... and whether the percentages are correct... by alcaray 2013-11-05 11:34:42
    - Do the math. by TB 2013-11-05 11:59:06
      - The insurance companies do not currently have the info to do the math. Only a liar would say that he does. by alcaray 2013-11-05 12:07:40
        
        Was Gruber lying then? by TB 2013-11-05 12:20:04
        
        Were you? by alcaray 2013-11-05 13:08:51
        
        I know someone who was. by TB 2013-11-05 17:25:06
  - People will listen to what they want to hear. by RobVG 2013-11-04 21:49:46
    - Some pay more; some pay less; some pay the same. by alcaray 2013-11-05 11:37:41
      - I didn't present any numbers did I? by RobVG 2013-11-05 17:13:51
        
        You said "all people are talking about". I thought you might be talking about me, so I clarified my position. by alcaray 2013-11-05 18:31:47
        
        I didn't mean you. Mainly prominent people in the news. Also I've started to listen to NPR. by RobVG 2013-11-06 08:27:49
Did you read the actual letters (linked in the article)? by TB 2013-11-04 14:35:27
- I looked at them as opposed to reading them. by alcaray 2013-11-05 11:50:10
  - "I certainly did not go to their websites. How is that pertinent when the accusation was about their marketing?" by TB 2013-11-05 12:47:53
    - Next time you make the "they refuse to note the facts" argument, please recall this thread. by alcaray 2013-11-05 13:10:26
We'll see by FrankC 2013-11-04 14:24:21
- Insurance companies have just as hard a time as anyone predicting the future, when there's a big change to take account of. by alcaray 2013-11-05 12:18:45
  - Individuals predict the future... by FrankC 2013-11-05 14:07:51
    - And using the very best data they have available. And it is always a gamble. by alcaray 2013-11-05 16:58:11
- I agree by SteveS 2013-11-05 06:39:09
  - Then there's the "generation war." by TB 2013-11-05 08:48:53
    - And rewriting history for the new generation by SteveS 2013-11-05 09:21:34
      - To be fair, the signmaker might have been thinking "small-d" democrat. by TB 2013-11-05 09:43:20

Happy Guy Fawkes Day. by TB November 5, 2013 11:24 am

Amen.:) by Jody 2013-11-05 20:15:49

On the way to energy independence by RobVG November 5, 2013 10:06 am

I rejoice in our healthcare! by Jody October 29, 2013 7:57 pm

Okay...so correct me...PLEASE...if I am wrong by Jody 2013-10-31 16:48:24
- Notice the smooth transition, Jody? by TB 2013-11-01 13:24:53
  - It was a social experiment Tom. by Jody 2013-11-01 16:41:19
    - I guess the joke's on me by alcaray 2013-11-01 18:59:01
- Your post is incomprehensible to me. I would help if I could. by alcaray 2013-10-31 19:17:33
  - S'all good. You and your ilk have done quite enough already. by Jody 2013-10-31 20:19:59
    - You made an extravagant claim. You gave no foundation for it. by alcaray 2013-10-31 22:45:44
      - Not extravagant. by Jody 2013-11-01 07:50:32
        
        Who ya gonna believe? by Robert 2013-11-01 14:04:52
        
        There *was* a descrepancy, you and alcaray were absolutely right!!! by Jody 2013-11-01 15:06:21
        
        Even so: how was he covering his deductible for the old policy? You need to add everything up. by alcaray 2013-11-01 16:01:45
        
        Give up by Robert 2013-11-01 17:22:58
        
        I ain't no hoodrat by Jody 2013-11-01 18:39:49
        
        Bwahahaha it is all true. by Jody 2013-11-01 17:47:20
        
        Especially the numbers below that nobody wants to come within five miles of. by TB 2013-11-01 18:26:56
        
        Oh trust me I have added it all up by Jody 2013-11-01 17:08:54
        
        I guess I was wrong to call it "unverifiable" by Robert 2013-11-01 15:50:33
        
        He is 58 years old. by Jody 2013-11-01 15:59:25
        
        Did I call it or what? by TB 2013-11-01 15:43:28
        
        :) by Jody 2013-11-01 17:09:47
        
        Don't believe everything you read on the internet. by alcaray 2013-11-01 11:05:23
      - And PS by alcaray 2013-10-31 22:49:42
Another way to look at it... by SteveS 2013-10-31 10:31:35
#1 in cost, #37 in outcomes. And some people love the status quo. by bowser 2013-10-30 20:13:55
- The important thing is that preexisting mental illness is now covered under ObamaCare. by Robert 2013-10-30 20:32:07
  - Heh. by TB 2013-10-31 09:01:46
Why did it go up? n/t by RobVG 2013-10-29 20:06:43
- This may be one reason. by Jody 2013-10-30 01:33:45
  - Do you live in a state where they refused to set up an exchange? by alcaray 2013-10-30 09:33:19
Ours went up $400 a month by TB 2013-10-29 20:04:30
- You went through the CA exchange, and shopped, right? by alcaray 2013-10-30 09:31:50
  - I have employer-provided insurance, and it's Health Net. by TB 2013-10-30 10:08:41
    - Lots of folks benefit from the competetive listings on the exchanges. You don't have to earn the subsidy to benefit. by alcaray 2013-10-30 11:45:35
      - There have been competitive listing websites online for years. by TB 2013-10-30 12:02:57
        
        If ACA did nothing new then never mind. by alcaray 2013-10-30 12:56:31
        
        Oh, it did something new. by TB 2013-10-30 13:26:05
        
        A lot of people are finding respectable savings, and improved policies. by alcaray 2013-10-30 13:37:58
        
        Numbers by SteveS 2013-10-31 11:04:42
        
        Statistics by alcaray 2013-10-31 15:32:13
        
        Assumptions by SteveS 2013-11-01 10:17:39
        
        9 million. by RobVG 2013-10-31 18:35:07
        
        Considerably less than that, right? by alcaray 2013-10-31 22:40:23
        
        You're right. Let's just make that 3 million. by RobVG 2013-11-01 07:38:44
        
        If you guys should wonder where you get your reputation as heartless bastards... by alcaray 2013-11-01 11:07:19
        
        I had to go to work. by RobVG 2013-11-01 19:23:26
        
        Did I say something controversial? by alcaray 2013-11-02 12:31:07
        
        Topic by RobVG 2013-11-03 09:41:58
        
        They aren't "sacrificed". And TB's "statistics" are merely predictions. by alcaray 2013-11-03 11:26:59
        
        Time out. by RobVG 2013-11-03 13:08:58
        
        Do you honestly think "clear numbers" will make an impression? by TB 2013-11-03 13:44:53
        
        Well, if you weren' by alcaray 2013-11-03 13:41:06
        
        93 million next year. by TB 2013-10-31 20:36:26
        
        miles from earth? by alcaray 2013-10-31 22:35:29
        
        Wait until the employer mandate hits. by TB 2013-10-31 15:54:25
        
        I wonder how part D would have destroyed the universe, if it hadn't been a Republican invention. by alcaray 2013-10-31 16:23:58
        
        Nope. by TB 2013-10-31 16:42:20
        
        I guess I am too stupid to see the connection between your post and Gruber's statistics. by alcaray 2013-10-31 18:19:33
        
        You know, I'm going to actually give this a shot: by TB 2013-10-31 20:47:25
        
        Sorry, when you said "statistics" I thought you contested his numbers somehow. by alcaray 2013-10-31 22:25:01
        
        I contested Gruber's whole damn premise. by TB 2013-11-01 08:47:47
        
        jello-nailing = convincing your opposite number that you are right and he is wrong. by alcaray 2013-11-01 11:11:21
        
        P.S. by TB 2013-10-31 16:07:18

"Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance" by RobVG October 29, 2013 9:01 am

And there are millions more without any insurance... by ER 2013-10-29 12:06:19
Seriously by Robert 2013-10-29 10:17:21
- Serioulsy? by RobVG 2013-10-29 19:08:42
  - Singing the praises of the ACA by Robert 2013-10-29 19:22:43
    - zAnd that's what it's all about isn't it? by SDAI-Tech 2013-10-29 22:01:06
      - Cool! by alcaray 2013-10-30 09:36:08
        
        Yeah,,, by SDAI-Tech 2013-11-03 01:31:03
    - Sniping? Posting a story that's all over the news on CE is "Sniping"? n/t by RobVG 2013-10-29 20:00:12
    - You've been going without insurance since 2008? by TB 2013-10-29 19:46:29
Well, at least now you know what the response is. :) by TB 2013-10-29 09:34:01
- A one-year delay will not occur unless it is because of Republican mischief. by alcaray 2013-10-29 11:18:09
- I think it's here to stay and I'd rather see them delay it than try to push through a kludge. n/t by RobVG 2013-10-29 09:55:52
  - A little more info on that story you linked... by TB 2013-10-29 10:33:28
Persistence by Robert 2013-10-29 09:25:55
Any time you make a law that affects insurance, then there is change to policies. by alcaray 2013-10-29 09:25:52

ACA and smoking by RobVG October 25, 2013 8:05 pm

Bad drivers hate that their record is known to their auto insurers too. by alcaray 2013-10-26 19:01:18
What a load of horse shit by Jody 2013-10-26 09:17:49
- Are you and I the only smokers left here by FrankC 2013-10-26 18:40:46
- A lot of employers are asking that now. by ER 2013-10-26 10:54:39
  - BINGO by Jody 2013-10-26 11:07:03
- I don't get the indignation here. by TB 2013-10-26 10:11:43
  - "You don't drink don't smoke, what do ya do?" by RobVG 2013-10-26 11:11:27
    - looks like a trade-off by Robert 2013-10-26 19:55:59
      - It's easy to dump on smokers. by ER 2013-10-26 21:49:36
        
        Single payer, the universal solvent. by Robert 2013-10-27 21:35:42
        
        They cost me money. They harm my health. by alcaray 2013-10-27 16:09:56
        
        They aren't apologetic. Instead they are quite strident. by alcaray 2013-10-27 16:10:38
    - "It’s one thing when your insurance company asks if you smoke. It’s another when it’s a government condition for using the health exchange." by ER 2013-10-26 11:41:09
      - "Shoppers" by RobVG 2013-10-26 12:09:56
        
        It's fraud if you do it directly to an insurance company, too. by alcaray 2013-10-26 14:51:25
        
        The government isn't selling you the insurance. by ER 2013-10-26 13:19:26
        
        EDIT: by ER 2013-10-26 13:43:12
        
        I can't argue with any of that. n/t by RobVG 2013-10-26 18:27:27
        
        Still digging. by RobVG 2013-10-26 13:42:41
  - I didn't say it shouldn't... by Jody 2013-10-26 10:39:31
Cripes, my car insurer asks if we smoke. by TB 2013-10-25 20:37:05
- That was initially a matter of attention to the road . . . by DanS 2013-10-27 11:19:19
  - Not inane. Mostly, it's statistics. by TB 2013-10-27 11:35:26

"Arrival of Obamacare forcing insurers to drop customers with low coverage" by RobVG October 24, 2013 9:32 pm

You do know what would cure that instantly, don't you? by Robert 2013-10-25 09:23:51
- Yup. The ACA is probably just a foot in the door. n/t by RobVG 2013-10-25 16:31:10
  - And that's a good thing. by Robert 2013-10-25 16:43:15
It's a no-brainer--like adopting the metric system. by ER 2013-10-25 04:30:47
You can't make real mayonnaise without breaking a few eggs... by FrankC 2013-10-25 00:21:40

Yes please by Robert October 25, 2013 8:27 am

That's mighty white of him. by ER 2013-10-25 10:04:14

Petition to make the source code for healthcare.gov open source by Robert October 23, 2013 11:27 am

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