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"Are jobs obsolete?" by Robert September 9, 2011 6:33 pm

This concludes this test of the system. We now return you to your original programming. by TB 2011-09-11 11:43:57
I imagine Tom originally posted the Rushkoff essay in some forlorn hope that all the lefties here would read it ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:04:05
- No, I posted it to display a "media analyst" who floated the idea that a large portion of the population ... by TB 2011-09-11 08:13:06
  - TB, we have always lived in a society where not working was not only allowed, it was a sign of ... by ER 2011-09-11 08:28:39
    - Ten foot pole. You know damn well the author was not talking about dependents. Or successful investors. by TB 2011-09-11 11:14:12
      - Let me tell you about my ten foot pole. I do not mind saluting the flag, or saying the ... by ER 2011-09-11 12:27:46
Heading down to the Art and Wine festival. Later! by TB 2011-09-10 14:28:06
This guy goes in a different direction with Rushkoff's essay: Increasingly, perhaps, a job is something that we each have to ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:12:42
- The man makes some good points, although I have difficulty seeing how they can actually be realized in practice. ... by ER 2011-09-10 13:57:27
  - His job right now is a blogger. Blogging as a job didn't exist until a few years ago. ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:19:37
    - I can see by your outfit, that you are a blogger. You can see by my outfit, that I blog too. We can ... by ER 2011-09-11 05:23:49
  - PS. Referring to your comment "...the idea of a particular job as a lifelong entitlement." That is not necessarily ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:16:13
One of the problems with the essay is it makes the mistake, common nowadays, of thinking of a "job" as ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:47:18
Moved to Flame. by ER 2011-09-10 09:27:02
- Why thank you ER...I was a candy striper...do you need to use the bedpan? ...there is more to the concept of ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:39:39
  - Sorry, I tried to move my post to Flame (before you finished responding) and lost all the text. Fortunately, ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:46:20
- I simply can not wrap my brain around work not being jobs...and jobs not being work. They are one in the ... by Jody 2011-09-10 09:35:48
  - That's because you think of work as wage slavery: Something unpleasant you begrudgingly do because you have to eat, ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:53:06
    - Not all jobs are drudgery, although some always will be. Craftsmen still earn their way in many, many fields. Heck, ... by TB 2011-09-10 13:45:15
      - EDITED:So why aren't you working for Google, or starting your own Google? C'mon Tom. If making sandals and running a ... by ER 2011-09-10 14:31:01
        
        The system will work again when we no longer have a government in power that believes that the private sector ... by TB 2011-09-10 18:57:07
        
        Conservative freedom rhetoric doesn't fool anyone. Every single policy consideration they propose is one that will benefit them immediately, and ... by ER 2011-09-11 04:26:16
        
        My statement still stands, a simple one that had no outrage in it. People are learning who the thugs are. by TB 2011-09-11 11:19:20
        
        I tried. Several times. I didn't make it. That's called "reality." by TB 2011-09-10 14:38:14
"Please convince me that we’re living in the best of all possible worlds under capitalism." I can't. The responses to ... by TB 2011-09-09 19:27:57
- Define "impossible". by Robert 2011-09-10 10:46:36
  - Rushkoff is wrong. Dead wrong. I won't even mention his ignorance of history. There is no "America" producing goods ... by TB 2011-09-10 11:33:05
  - I don't understand Rushkoff. He wrote a book "Program or be Programmed". To me I took this as being pro ... by Jody 2011-09-10 10:51:17
    - I wouldn't infer acquiescence from somebody speaking up about a problem. And I don't really see how reexamining the structure ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:21:05
      - I haven't read all the background comprising this thread but I will say that the idea of food and shelter ... by FrankC 2011-09-11 15:09:38
      - Believe it or not, I have some sympathy for the argument, but it's mostly left wing Utopian baloney. This guy makes ... by Jody 2011-09-10 18:06:16
        
        You forgot the one about liberals eating their children. by Robert 2011-09-10 18:20:17
        
        No, that's not how you respond to a "smear." Your response should be "no, Jody, the Left is very ... by TB 2011-09-10 19:01:26
        
        No, that is exactly how I respond to a smear. by Robert 2011-09-10 20:31:43
        
        I am sorry you are disappointed in what I said Robert. I am not. It feels strangely cathartic. by Jody 2011-09-11 14:11:55
        
        "Cathartic" means using other people as punching bags. That's really nothing to be proud of. by Robert 2011-09-12 08:46:29
        
        Robert...I was on a soap box about Liberals in general. It was not directed at you personally. Next time I ... by Jody 2011-09-12 10:45:55
        
        WARNING!!!! Jody is in *A* mode.....Robert....just thinking...why the hell does everybody else get to mud sling...and the minute I do ... by Jody 2011-09-12 12:23:49
        
        I'm sorry, where did Jody "punch" you or anyone else on this board personally? Read her post again. Think hard ... by TB 2011-09-12 09:46:46
        
        In short, you got nothing. Want to go into a tally of smears and empty insults? by TB 2011-09-11 11:04:39
      - Which "better one" would that be? And how have identical ideas worked in the past? by TB 2011-09-10 11:34:33
        
        Straw men, TB. by Robert 2011-09-10 13:54:29
        
        Of course he doesn't propose anything specific. He can't. Neither can anyone else. The whole concept has ... by TB 2011-09-10 14:11:00
        
        Tom, you talk as if Capitalism was born perfectly formed, and that it has been consistently degraded by Socialist intervention ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:03:18
        
        As with most things you "credit" me with, I've never said anything of the sort. I should have stuck to my ... by TB 2011-09-10 12:15:28
        
        Well, thanks anyway for bringing up the Rushkoff essay. He developed in a disciplined, systematic way, a lot of ... by ER 2011-09-10 12:43:35
- You don't need proof because you have already decided on the truth. You're just wrong Tom. Your beliefs are more ... by ER 2011-09-10 07:07:28
  - This from the guy who constantly lectures my on my "arrogance." Two points: A definition that can mean anything you ... by TB 2011-09-10 09:49:24
    - One point: A definition is just a mental exercise, it need not have any referent in reality. Just because ... by ER 2011-09-10 09:55:03
      - And there you have the essence of "debate" here. by TB 2011-09-10 10:02:57
        
        TB, you will note I am not promoting any particular political or economic philosophy, I never have. I am merely ... by ER 2011-09-10 10:22:16
        
        An exercise for those interested: Put each of those sentences on its own line and think about it for a few ... by TB 2011-09-10 10:34:14
        
        Sure, anything taken out of context makes little or no sense, or is subject to misinterpretation. That's another shabby debating tactic. Tom, ... by ER 2011-09-10 11:02:07
- Some jobs are becoming obsolete, to be sure. But my thought is that because of technology, jobs are being created. Hasn't ... by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:13
  - The point the essay tries to make is that our whole economy is based on the industrial model of employers ... by Robert 2011-09-10 11:03:12
  - What they're talking about is the idea of a "job" being obsolete. by TB 2011-09-09 19:58:25
  - Ooops...meant to be under Robert's post. by Jody 2011-09-09 19:45:50

Confessions of a GOP Operative Who Left "the Cult": 3 Things Everyone Must Know About the Lunatic-Filled Republican Party by BuckGalaxy September 9, 2011 6:29 pm

What I found puzzling was how could someone who is perfectly aware of Conservative/Republican zealotry and fanaticism and its origins ... by ER 2011-09-10 06:40:46
Holy crap! by Eri 2011-09-09 23:25:52

Possible anniversary terror threat? by TB September 8, 2011 5:19 pm

Is Apollo's past spoiling our future in outer space? by TB September 8, 2011 12:02 pm

Good article but shouldn't it be on Space/Science? by Eri 2011-09-08 18:31:54
- Maybe so, but if I suspect something might start heading political, I put even space-related stuff on CE. by TB 2011-09-08 21:10:34
  - My suggestion would be to post it in Space/Science and if it does take a political turn, then you can ... by Eri 2011-09-09 04:00:47
    - Good point. I keep forgetting how easy it is to shove things around now. by TB 2011-09-09 06:00:43

FBI raids solar power company by TB September 8, 2011 10:22 am

The end of Pax Americana? by TB September 7, 2011 8:08 am

One of the most important aspects of Pax Americana was our willingness to serve as the economic engine of the ... by BuckGalaxy 2011-09-07 18:42:43
- The American Middle class was created by people getting the crap beat out of them by company dicks on picket ... by ER 2011-09-07 19:31:17
Excellent analysis. I studied Mackinder and geopolitics extensively when I was in grad school, and Mahan because of my ... by ER 2011-09-07 08:34:15
- It's all very 19th century by Robert 2011-09-07 14:24:47
  - Old Irish curse: May you live in interesting times. I think we're there. Things change so quickly with overturns in ... by Eri 2011-09-07 18:26:52
    - For some of us, though, the leaps are a little too mind-boggling. by Robert 2011-09-08 12:20:40
      - Future shocked? Maybe you need to hang around more young people. My kids are swimming in this stuff ... by TB 2011-09-08 12:26:13
        
        Well, yeah, but young people are by definition immune to future shock, having experienced little of the future so far. by Robert 2011-09-08 19:28:33
        
        Keep that in mind when talking about immortality, or even lifespans in the hundreds. Might be cool for us ... by TB 2011-09-08 21:09:53
  - It may be a bit too early yet to declare that technology is going to make that much difference. ... by ER 2011-09-07 16:30:02
    - History will repeat itself with the Internet? by Robert 2011-09-07 17:18:33
      - And the net hasn't been a boon to propagandists and political agitators, especially reactionary ones? Of course, the same ... by ER 2011-09-07 19:04:24
        
        One man's "propagandists and political agitators" are another man's "empowered citizenry". by Robert 2011-09-08 12:16:43
        
        Sorry if I spoke too brashly, or unfairly. I'm just kind of jaded and bitter about these matters. ... by ER 2011-09-08 14:09:28
        
        Maybe you're just looking at the wrong things. I see the glass as at least half full. Some ... by TB 2011-09-08 14:46:48
        
        I suppose you're right. I'm just an old fart bitchin' about my days of black hair and flat belly, ... by ER 2011-09-08 18:34:15
        
        Wellll, ER, I avowed that I'm skeptical of new technology, for the sake of new technology, anyway. So I wouldn't ... by Robert 2011-09-08 19:39:56
        
        Maudlin crap? Well, maybe you're right, Robert. That's why I brought it up in my response to TB, in ... by ER 2011-09-10 07:38:26
        
        I'm sorry, ER. by Robert 2011-09-10 11:12:29
        
        Someone can point a cell phone at someone in Cairo and the film can be all over the world in ... by TB 2011-09-07 19:18:53
      - I like the trend. Decentralization of systems is a good thing, and should be encouraged. by TB 2011-09-07 17:51:13

Michael Bloomberg by Eri September 7, 2011 6:52 am

Anyone who can run New York City successfully is probably qualified to be President. Bloomberg (and Giuliani) are both ... by ER 2011-09-07 08:37:34
- I don't think quite as much of Guiliani just because he can't keep his pants zipped. I have no ... by Eri 2011-09-08 06:09:35
  - No way! Giuliani is a Republican and a patriot. In fact, lately he's been passing himself off as a ... by ER 2011-09-08 07:09:09
    - One more Republican by Eri 2011-09-08 18:38:47

Wind energy? "Whoa." by TB September 6, 2011 3:02 pm

Wind energy is the Liberal equivalent of Conservative 'drill, drill, drill'. Easy to say because we know it will never ... by ER 2011-09-07 08:12:41
- The future of natural gas is already here. The vast majority of new power plants being built use it, ... by TB 2011-09-07 08:30:12
  - Less gas than was thought. by podrock 2011-09-07 11:35:54
    - Note this, though: "The new estimates are much higher than the last assessment by the Geological Survey in 2002. Those estimates ... by TB 2011-09-07 13:18:28
      - Well, yes, of course. We get better at using long poles and ladders when the low fruit is gone. by podrock 2011-09-07 17:11:46
        
        That's a good way to put it. by TB 2011-09-07 17:43:05
  - EDITED: But TB, I'm an environmentalist... by ER 2011-09-07 09:00:41
Well, if I have anything to say, by Eri 2011-09-06 18:21:33
- For fun, pop your Zip code into the "My Community" section of this page and see what power plants are ... by TB 2011-09-06 18:51:54
  - G C O & L. Operating. None proposed or closed. by Eri 2011-09-06 20:35:49
- I saw a lot of giant windmills while driving across the country last month. Most were out in farm ... by TB 2011-09-06 18:37:22

Top Secret America by TB September 4, 2011 1:02 pm

Apparently, the news is now leaking out from Libya that a lot of our prisoners were being interrogated in Libya ... by ER 2011-09-04 13:18:55

Tropical storm Lee heads onshore by TB September 4, 2011 10:42 am

It won't be that much longer by Eri September 3, 2011 7:28 pm

But what CAN a poor boy do? ...except to sing for a rock and roll band... The greatest rock and roll ... by ER 2011-09-04 10:41:49
- Well, you could do worse. Ol' Mick's on the other side of that fancy gate, now. Ask not for whom ... by TB 2011-09-04 10:56:12
  - I don't resent Mick 's millions one bit. I pay for his product because I want to, I enjoy it, and ... by ER 2011-09-04 11:10:31
    - Nope. Didn't say any of that stuff. Not even remotely. I don't believe any of it either. Just ... by TB 2011-09-04 11:26:56
      - Actually, it's Mick that's being ironic, and deliberately so. He's no "street fightin' man", he's just a "singer in ... by ER 2011-09-04 11:39:15
        
        Second lyric is from the Moody Blues. I'm a big fan of theirs, too, and we saw them a ... by TB 2011-09-04 11:52:59
        
        mp3 @ amazon by Robert 2011-09-05 12:04:17
        
        I've never heard this work, but I've heard much about it. The personnel involved includes some real heavyweights, as ... by ER 2011-09-04 12:08:21
The protests will begin in earnest when the Republicans get elected and learn they can't make the recession go away ... by ER 2011-09-04 05:49:03

Meet the real Rick Perry by Eri September 3, 2011 7:25 pm

I know you won't listen...but hey...I swim upstream. what the hell by Jody 2011-09-04 11:08:00

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