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Why the Right really hates Obama by ER July 25, 2013 5:04 pm

CM appeared a bit foolish to me... by FrankC 2013-07-28 13:14:41
- Good analysis. by ER 2013-07-28 13:50:25
The opposition to the president has been unprecedented, and far past the point of reason. by BuckGalaxy 2013-07-26 21:54:36
- Well, actually you are correct Buck...but it isn't anyone here on the Zone. by Jody 2013-07-27 11:41:24
  - Thank you for that insight Jody. :-) by BuckGalaxy 2013-07-29 01:25:43
  - yep by Robert 2013-07-27 12:51:30
    - I remember that and it resonated with me. by Jody 2013-07-27 13:45:45
      - the universal feeling of political impotency by Robert 2013-07-27 19:22:40
        
        "History is a Weapon" by TB 2013-07-27 22:52:07
        
        What mirror principle? by Robert 2013-07-28 11:38:45
        
        I said that real history means something. by TB 2013-07-28 12:31:13
        
        An infinity of mirrors by ER 2013-07-28 13:34:06
        
        Save it for the rubes. by TB 2013-07-28 13:56:21
        
        no, they're ducks all right. by ER 2013-07-28 14:53:19
        
        Heh. by TB 2013-07-28 15:10:41
        
        By the way... by TB 2013-07-28 15:17:11
        
        I must confess, I cannot match your wit. by ER 2013-07-28 16:05:18
- There is a doubt. by RobVG 2013-07-27 10:55:16
  - But Rob, you left out by ER 2013-07-27 12:09:59
    - What grade are we in? by RobVG 2013-07-28 10:14:17
- If you still have any doubts, just ask them. by ER 2013-07-27 10:04:18
- The elephant in the room by Robert 2013-07-26 22:05:04
  - More by Robert 2013-07-26 22:09:57
More from Renfield by TB 2013-07-25 21:42:44
ARE YOU SERIOUS???? *Looking around for the candid camera* by Jody 2013-07-25 20:38:52
- Be sure to take that quote out of context every new thread. by BuckGalaxy 2013-07-26 21:44:36
  - I disagree Buck. by Jody 2013-07-27 08:29:42
    - My point was that quote could be used to argue literally anything you disagree with. by BuckGalaxy 2013-07-30 16:58:01
      - I know sweet face, but I wouldn't have used it *just* anywhere. by Jody 2013-07-30 17:14:16
- Funny by SteveS 2013-07-26 13:18:29
Yeah, Chris Matthews is going to tell it like it is. by TB 2013-07-25 20:27:20
- You cannot stay with an issue, can you. Impossible. Mind like a flea in a frying pan. by bowser 2013-07-25 21:19:54
  - Like I said. by TB 2013-07-25 21:34:57
    - In order to discuss something constructively one must stick to the subject. by bowser 2013-07-26 01:03:32
      - This is a test. If it had been a real emergency... by ER 2013-07-26 03:56:35
        
        Get serious. by bowser 2013-07-27 00:06:36
        
        And seriously... by TB 2013-07-26 08:29:46
        
        seriously? by Robert 2013-07-26 10:17:37
        
        " the complete lack of irony that is a hallmark of the mindless" by ER 2013-07-26 11:34:39
        
        Um...the word "irony" has to actually apply. by TB 2013-07-26 11:42:02
        
        You are right. by alcaray 2013-07-26 14:31:34
        
        If this is pretending, some Oscars are in order here. by TB 2013-07-26 14:45:57
        
        The real irony is you've just been insulted and all you can do is reach for a dictionary. by ER 2013-07-26 11:58:38
        
        That's not irony either. by TB 2013-07-26 12:01:10
        
        It's easy to get a galvanic response. by TB 2013-07-26 08:01:42
        
        Nobody hated Bush. He was a decent man, by ER 2013-07-26 10:58:30
        
        "A sack full of doorknobs" by TB 2013-07-26 11:40:32
        
        Sorry, what I meant to say was "dumber than a sack full of hammers." by ER 2013-07-26 12:12:37
        
        Did you read the link? by TB 2013-07-26 12:16:05
        
        No. by ER 2013-07-26 12:48:02
        
        See? by TB 2013-07-26 13:00:12
        
        You just don't get it, TB. by ER 2013-07-26 13:36:31
        
        Curses! Foiled again! by TB 2013-07-26 13:52:46
        
        The struggle for Jody's heart... by ER 2013-07-26 14:48:31
        
        WRONG. I don't have a heart. by Jody 2013-07-26 16:40:22

"Welcome to Peruvia" by TB July 28, 2013 3:23 pm

My brother lived in Peruville, NY... by Jody 2013-07-28 16:17:33

Where is the outrage? by Jody July 26, 2013 9:16 am

Why outrage? by ER 2013-07-26 10:39:05
- BTW, Thank you for your response ER....and a galvanic addendum.... by Jody 2013-07-26 11:58:29
  - Remember when I pointed out the Roderick Scott case? by TB 2013-07-26 13:08:05
    - Long standing media culture? Maybe most media media people are just smarter, and nicer. by ER 2013-07-26 14:41:22
    - I sure do Tom... by Jody 2013-07-26 13:49:29
  - Unfortunately, the press determines the importance. by ER 2013-07-26 12:36:55
    - ...and it all sucks. However, I am preaching to the choir, I know. by Jody 2013-07-26 12:55:47
- In the recent words of someone I know by Jody 2013-07-26 10:41:16
  - Read my post again. I made some more galvanic edits while you were responding. by ER 2013-07-26 10:46:54
    - Oh honey, I wouldn't say I would miss them. by Jody 2013-07-26 11:32:44

The Conservative agenda as it stands today. by bowser July 23, 2013 12:01 am

What's really scary about the wealth distribution shown in that video... by ER 2013-07-23 05:14:39
- Why is it they want that? I notice none of them respond. by bowser 2013-07-23 12:25:12
  - I keep thinking TB is going to have a "hey, wait a minute" moment. He's a smart guy, after all. by alcaray 2013-07-23 12:46:30
    - He has no rebuttal, no choice except to say he wants that situation or- - - by bowser 2013-07-23 17:04:00
      - I've made several rebuttals. You're just not paying attention. by TB 2013-07-23 20:19:51
        
        Why do you favor a plutocracy? It's that simple. by bowser 2013-07-23 21:54:35
        
        Amazing. by TB 2013-07-23 22:03:50
        
        This isn't rocket science. It's not even bottle rocket science. by bowser 2013-07-25 00:09:28
    - Sigh. by TB 2013-07-23 13:07:47
      - I don't recall chiding you about any of that. Well not in some years, maybe? by alcaray 2013-07-23 14:24:49
        
        I tend to avoid topics that already start out at "nuts." by TB 2013-07-23 15:28:05
        
        That's about enough, TB. by bowser 2013-07-23 20:06:39
        
        "Unemployed" by choice, to help take care of my wife, who works full time. by TB 2013-07-23 21:03:26
        
        TB. In my view you are an unwitting victim, not your fault, of your own agenda.. by bowser 2013-07-25 00:23:21
        
        My wife is a medical professional, with a doctor's degree. by TB 2013-07-25 09:00:35
        
        The man was betrayed. by ER 2013-07-25 05:47:47
        
        So not only is the planet warming, but the warming is accelerating, is of no concern. by alcaray 2013-07-23 16:00:09
        
        So what do you propose to DO about it? by TB 2013-07-23 16:13:44
        
        "wealth redistribution" is the red herring by alcaray 2013-07-23 16:33:33
        
        Ummm....okay. by TB 2013-07-23 16:54:32
        
        Same thing over and over. by alcaray 2013-07-23 17:36:07
        
        Hello? Is this thing on? by TB 2013-07-23 19:28:25
        
        Well, let's try it this way. by alcaray 2013-07-24 19:22:01
        
        If you look through my responses, I've covered it. by TB 2013-07-24 20:13:57
        
        But it's going to be 2 million in 10 years, is the point you never refer to. by alcaray 2013-07-24 20:22:53
        
        Hey, don't look at me. by ER 2013-07-23 14:39:50

Satori by ER July 23, 2013 6:49 pm

You, TB and I were raised when the American Dream was possible. by bowser 2013-07-23 20:08:12
- Yes, but we learned from our parents that nothing lasts forever. by ER 2013-07-24 05:49:48
  - I didn't learn that. by bowser 2013-07-25 00:01:29
    - By the early '70s, by ER 2013-07-25 06:12:14
Huh. According to Bowser, you're one of the dirt poor. :) by TB 2013-07-23 19:25:58
- The rich are just like the poor, they just have money. by ER 2013-07-24 05:56:48
- You just don't have a clue, do you! by bowser 2013-07-23 19:43:11

Jody's "Okay, I would like to start a thread and I would really like it to stay on topic, if at all possible." moved to Current Events by Robert July 23, 2013 11:13 am

Universal healthcare and slavery by bowser July 19, 2013 3:16 pm

Slavery and health care... by ER 2013-07-21 19:11:56
Realistically, everyone who is not self-employed is a slave. (jumping in late, here) by ER 2013-07-21 18:53:30
I started a thread Bowser...about the Teamsters and Obamacare on Flame... by Jody 2013-07-19 19:34:21
- My post is about the similarity of the people who promoted slavery and oppose universal health care. by bowser 2013-07-20 00:29:47
  - Well awrighty then sugar smacks...I'll be back by Jody 2013-07-20 15:00:08
    - Jody, it never hurts to touch base with reality from time to time by Robert 2013-07-21 15:11:14
      - Touch base with reality? by Jody 2013-07-21 18:02:16
        
        Probably not by Robert 2013-07-22 11:44:36
        
        I have issues with QED by Jody 2013-07-22 15:26:31
        
        Do I feel the government is evil? by Jody 2013-07-23 08:03:05
        
        QED is an acronym for a phrase in Latin meaning something like "Thus it is proven". by ER 2013-07-22 20:51:39
        
        *giggle* Now that I can wrap my head around. :) by Jody 2013-07-23 08:12:39
        
        Q.E.D. by TB 2013-07-22 16:11:59
        
        Latin: "That which has been demonstrated". by bowser 2013-07-22 23:21:30
        
        Thank you TB...that is the best explanation yet! by Jody 2013-07-22 20:11:34
        
        My personal understanding of QED by FrankC 2013-07-22 21:27:50
        
        Thank you Frank! by Jody 2013-07-23 08:11:52
        
        Best explanation of "infer" and "imply" I've found... by TB 2013-07-22 20:27:15
        
        Thanks Tom! You are right...it is an easy to remember explanation. n/t by Jody 2013-07-23 08:11:18
      - P.S. I noticed a remarkable gap in that Wikipedia article. Did you? by TB 2013-07-21 17:53:18
      - Not "government" Robert. A certain vision of it. by TB 2013-07-21 17:24:58
        
        The problem is that it's your vision by Robert 2013-07-22 11:55:16
        
        Just for fun... by TB 2013-07-22 14:07:37
      - Tom's post is not trite, it is extremely clever... by FrankC 2013-07-21 16:03:48
        
        Dogwhistle rhetoric by Robert 2013-07-21 17:17:22
        
        Discussion by TB 2013-07-21 17:42:00
        
        Which one of us were you addressing with that little post? by Robert 2013-07-22 11:46:22
        
        Real discussion involves occasionally changing the subject. by ER 2013-07-21 19:32:20
        
        Actually read the damn thread. I didn't start this. by TB 2013-07-21 20:51:06
        
        Apparently, you don't want to talk about what I want to talk about. by ER 2013-07-21 21:09:19
        
        Not only trite, but off the point, irrelevant, misleading. by bowser 2013-07-21 16:17:17
    - Jody, it never hurts to remember what slavery actually IS. by TB 2013-07-21 12:22:03
      - You do. McDonalds or the military. Some choice, eh? by bowser 2013-07-21 15:16:11
        
        Well, that wasn't trite at all. by TB 2013-07-21 18:00:29
        
        No, but it was right on target. by ER 2013-07-21 18:54:47

Obamacare and the Teamsters by Jody July 19, 2013 5:11 pm

Another article that actually explains what the Unions want, instead of just cherry picking a number of quotes like NRO by BuckGalaxy 2013-07-22 18:18:38
- Letter by TB 2013-07-22 19:16:37

Now I've seen it all. by RobVG July 18, 2013 9:53 pm

The real point of all this... by TB 2013-07-19 21:43:21
Did you know that in (whacky, conservative, libertarian...) Utah, all gas stations sell their gas for the same price? by alcaray 2013-07-19 15:53:08
- Not sure who told you Utah was libertarian. by TB 2013-07-19 16:21:33
  - I know that when libertarians were talking about taking over a state, Utah was on the list of prospectives. by alcaray 2013-07-19 17:44:58
    - And I'm quite familiar with the tricks you have to go through to get a decent drink in Utah. by alcaray 2013-07-19 17:47:08
      - I drive through Wendover on the way to the Midwest. by TB 2013-07-19 19:41:33
      - They have beer cocktails. Seriously. by alcaray 2013-07-19 17:48:05
- I take back part of what I said. by alcaray 2013-07-19 16:10:39
There is a significant link between the mindsets shown in these stories and what happened to Detroit. by TB 2013-07-19 12:17:30
- Which is that it was raped by the folks who buy debt. Banks, etc. by bowser 2013-07-19 15:18:02
Washington DC by Robert 2013-07-19 07:59:43
- I notice you dodged a point. by TB 2013-07-19 19:51:31
- The law was specifically targeted at WalMart. by TB 2013-07-19 11:13:08
  - wrong by Robert 2013-07-19 14:33:58
    - Save it for the rubes. by TB 2013-07-19 14:49:18
      - "everyone knows" by Robert 2013-07-19 18:40:44
        
        Everyone with a working brain. by TB 2013-07-19 19:33:21
        
        That would seem to exclude you by Robert 2013-07-19 20:42:20
        
        It was in the version I found, linked in a comment below. by TB 2013-07-19 21:23:59
        
        Once again by Robert 2013-07-20 11:13:17
        
        P.S. by TB 2013-07-20 11:56:32
        
        Derailing by TB 2013-07-20 11:45:59
      - You are a rube. Seriously, TB, "Mysteries of the Multiverse" was created for you. by bowser 2013-07-19 15:19:11
        
        Well-reasoned response, especially the supporting links. by TB 2013-07-19 15:20:04
      - Another version: by TB 2013-07-19 15:18:05
- ... by ER 2013-07-19 10:56:47
  - ditto health care by Robert 2013-07-19 11:08:41
    - Who does pay for single-payer then if the "oligarchs" aren't? by TB 2013-07-19 11:23:04
      - Surely you're not unfamiliar with the concept of an insurance pool? by Robert 2013-07-19 14:36:21
        
        Individual citizens? Do they know that yet? by TB 2013-07-19 15:10:30
You ain't seen nothing yet. by ER 2013-07-19 05:18:27
I'm surprised by your response. by bowser 2013-07-18 22:49:34
- I don't think so. by RobVG 2013-07-19 17:20:16
- A bit more on the Whole Foods project: by TB 2013-07-19 11:39:07

The F-35 - Why other countries are bailing out. by bowser July 14, 2013 6:03 pm

Here is a link that might shed some light by Jody 2013-07-17 18:01:18
Pentagon lowers F-35 performance bar by bowser 2013-07-15 17:56:06
- The development cycle. by ER 2013-07-16 06:01:38
  - This one is so far behind that some say the Russians and Chinese have passed it. by bowser 2013-07-17 11:49:38
    - Prove it. by Jody 2013-07-17 17:48:30
      - 11-09-11 F-35 officially 7 years late. Operating capability not until 2018. by bowser 2013-07-19 18:01:22
    - By hacking our computers and stealing technology. by Jody 2013-07-17 12:33:34
      - Shocking! We wouldn't do that. by ER 2013-07-17 15:28:31
It is true there has been alot of cost over runs, but it is a very complicated program. by Jody 2013-07-15 15:59:42
The big train that could... by FrankC 2013-07-15 11:07:37
American Foxbat by ER 2013-07-15 05:54:41
- "Highly paid Defense Industry workers" by TB 2013-07-15 09:04:11
  - Is there some reason some workers shouldn't be highly paid? That offends you, doesn't it. by bowser 2013-07-15 17:59:29
    - The point, and there was one... by TB 2013-07-15 19:08:23
      - I sure was wrong on that one. My sincere apologies. by bowser 2013-07-15 19:14:04
        
        No problem. by TB 2013-07-15 19:23:04
  - Give me a break, Tom. by ER 2013-07-15 09:55:57
    - You don't handle this stuff very well, do you? by TB 2013-07-15 11:48:10
      - What stuff? by ER 2013-07-15 12:59:27
        
        Intellectual rebuttal, for one, either delivering or accepting it. by TB 2013-07-15 16:51:07
        
        So it was Clinton's fault, eh? by ER 2013-07-15 18:16:30

For the denialists in the crowd by alcaray July 19, 2013 9:32 am

I know you meant to inform by Jody 2013-07-19 11:16:52
- See Steve's post below for some illumination of what a denialist (concerning this topic) is. by alcaray 2013-07-19 12:34:57
  - The Pennsylvania Voter ID law was not in force for the 2012 election. by TB 2013-07-19 12:41:49
    - What does what you said have to do with my post? by alcaray 2013-07-19 12:47:16
      - That just maybe Gleason might be wrong about the cause of the margin differences? by TB 2013-07-19 13:03:33
        
        Wrong or right, the point was about the intention of the voter laws. Enough rabbit-holing for me. by alcaray 2013-07-19 14:03:42
Voter ID by SteveS 2013-07-19 11:04:14
- Synergy: by TB 2013-07-19 14:34:44

Stop Big Government! Let the people choose if they want... by BuckGalaxy July 17, 2013 9:34 am

There are already a lot of dumb people (and politicians) in Utah. by alcaray 2013-07-17 16:57:05
- They might be better off illiterate. No Joseph Smith, Moroni, golden plates and so on. by bowser 2013-07-17 21:30:09
What do you expect from Planet Kolob? by ER 2013-07-17 15:26:44
- Codicil by Robert 2013-07-17 16:04:53
Ummm...as I understand it by Jody 2013-07-17 12:05:49
"Let’s let them choose it, let’s not force them to do it"n/t by Jody 2013-07-17 11:09:37
- Compulsion by TB 2013-07-17 17:04:05
  - The Public Education System has produced people like me. by ER 2013-07-18 05:47:52
    - Oh for cryin' out loud ER by Jody 2013-07-18 12:46:22
    - Yes. Yes it has. by TB 2013-07-18 08:41:45
      - Talkin' 'bout straw men... by ER 2013-07-18 09:56:11
        
        Heh. The Master of the Three-Page Tirade instructs me. by TB 2013-07-18 10:33:00
        
        Point by point by ER 2013-07-18 14:50:05
      - You're not hard to deal with at all. by ER 2013-07-18 09:45:17
  - Crap piled upon crap, lies, deceit, totally irresponsible. You CANNOT believe that. by bowser 2013-07-17 21:27:53
- I don't think choice is a crazy thought. I am all for choice. I am not crazy. by Jody 2013-07-17 11:10:34

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