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Our tax dollars at work by TB April 13, 2012 3:38 pm
    The Scottish verdict by ER April 12, 2012 4:50 am
    • Imagine how hard it must be to find an unbiased jury.... by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-12 21:38:28
      Pick the group by TB April 12, 2012 10:28 am
      • Actually, I liked all three. I can't give any a complete thumbs up, the same comment I made about ... by ER 2012-04-12 16:13:42
        • About the highlighter: Actually, I can't see any point I couldn't support in general. I might withold judgement ... by ER 2012-04-12 16:18:54
          • Addendum: Upon closer inspection... I cannot support these two items. The first violates my position on freedom of speech, the second ... by ER 2012-04-12 16:35:21
            • Don't work too hard on it. I nailed my point quite a while ago. by TB 2012-04-12 19:54:47
              • Hey, I got no problems with ducks by ER 2012-04-12 20:00:21
        • A little hint: by TB 2012-04-12 15:39:42
          • That reminds me... by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-12 14:26:09
            • I wouldn't mind seeing it. by TB 2012-04-12 15:48:37
              • True, dat. I shall be sure to do so. by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-12 21:32:34
            And I thought it was 57 by ER April 12, 2012 5:33 am
            • They truly believe that. It takes a loose mind to stretch that far, a mind capable of believing anything ... by bowser 2012-04-12 13:41:25
              • Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire? by ER 2012-04-12 14:21:34
              • Actually, it's more like 76. by TB 2012-04-12 07:47:37
                • No, Tom, you've got it wrong. by ER 2012-04-12 08:30:51
                  • I've watched those two videos and I can't see any substantive difference between them, other than he mumbles something about ... by ER 2012-04-12 09:03:55
                    • BTW, I once played softball at a Socialist Workers Party of America 4th of July picnic (my girlfriend at the ... by ER 2012-04-12 09:18:04
                      • I don't know. Is your name proudly displayed on the DSA membership lists? by TB 2012-04-12 09:42:32
                        • Tom, I can't help what you want and I have no control over what you believe. But that doesn't ... by ER 2012-04-12 11:06:05
                          • Bigfoot isn't real. Pelosi, Ellison, and Obama are. That makes a difference. by TB 2012-04-12 11:26:17
                            • The only real difference is YOU don't like Pelosi, Ellison and Obama. And why should I base my likes and ... by ER 2012-04-12 12:11:14
                The Flame Board! by TB April 12, 2012 8:04 am
                • Hah! I posted this on Facebook! by Jody 2012-04-12 11:06:41
                  • A typical TB post. Impressive, unbelievable, funnier 'n' hell, a great addition to the HZ. That was truly ... by bowser 2012-04-12 10:44:05
                    On engineering, government, and complex fixes by TB April 11, 2012 12:10 pm
                    • It would be nice to fix everything at once, but humans don't have that kind of foresight. One thing ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-04-11 22:15:50
                      • Start here: by TB 2012-04-12 08:20:15
                      • You and ER agreeing on something? *Checks outside for burning rain* by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-11 19:39:33
                        • Actually, he's trying to set me up by using my own words against me. Just follow this thread a little ... by ER 2012-04-11 20:07:20
                          • Subtlety can sometimes be a liability here. by TB 2012-04-11 20:13:04
                            • You'd think by now you'd realize you're not being very successful at communicating your ideas. That could be the result of ... by ER 2012-04-11 20:19:35
                              • Hey now... Calm down before you guys say something you regret later. After all, it doesn't matter who's wrong or ... by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-11 21:27:50
                                • Like this? by podrock 2012-04-12 05:42:48
                                  • The easiest way I found is to go to the YouTube page for a video. by TB 2012-04-12 07:53:19
                                    • One caveat: by TB 2012-04-12 08:23:58
                                • There are other possible options. by TB 2012-04-11 20:45:20
                                  • Sure. All your critics could be dead wrong and just stubbornly refuse to listen to your logic. by ER 2012-04-11 21:21:22
                                    • Heh. Bingo. by TB 2012-04-11 21:42:51
                                      • Squeeeeeek... by TB 2012-04-11 21:43:44
                          • Simple answer: Treat law like software. by Robert 2012-04-11 14:26:31
                            • Everything you say is undoubtedly true. But the problem of the engineer is very different from that of the ... by ER 2012-04-11 13:41:23
                              • Predictable? by TB 2012-04-11 14:55:16
                                • One example of the problem here. by TB 2012-04-11 14:59:17
                                  • It all matters where you draw the line. We draw it in different places. But that line must ... by ER 2012-04-11 15:47:12
                                    • When you finally understand there is self-interest on both sides of this issue, the discussion can proceed. by TB 2012-04-11 15:58:24
                                      • I have no doubt there is self-interest involved on both sides. I just think one side has more motivation, ... by ER 2012-04-11 17:52:41
                                        • "I just think one side has more motivation, resources, organization, experience and history with bending public opinion to their purposes. ... by TB 2012-04-11 18:03:08
                                          • Be careful, TB. You've recognized that similarities in partisan rhetoric suggest that political speech may be more a function ... by ER 2012-04-11 19:36:30
                                            • What I hoped you'd notice is that, historically, governments match that description far more than businesses do. by TB 2012-04-11 20:06:24
                                              • Yeah, right. Socialized Medicine is the first step to the Gulag. by ER 2012-04-11 20:15:43
                                                • We weren't discussing socialized medicine. by TB 2012-04-11 20:43:47
                                                  • Sure Tom. And any form of social welfare, will automatically steer us in this direction. If your ludicrous comparison was ... by ER 2012-04-11 21:34:13
                                                    • We weren't discussing socialized medicine. by TB 2012-04-11 21:40:28
                              Democratic leaders in 2006 by TB April 11, 2012 9:16 pm
                              • Big surprise there. As we know oil prices are set by global markets so all of this is nonsense. ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-04-11 22:03:34
                                • Okay, you've got them there. Both sides love shooting each other down about oil and gas prices. by VelociraptorBlade 2012-04-11 21:19:30
                                  Anybody else stocking up on popcorn... by TB April 11, 2012 8:58 pm
                                    So what can a poor boy do? by ER April 9, 2012 3:54 am
                                    • If this place is any indication... by RobVG 2012-04-09 18:13:13
                                      • If I had it to do all over again, I'd study music. People say it is like mathematics, although ... by ER 2012-04-09 19:30:34
                                      • It can fill yer belly n/t by RobVG 2012-04-09 17:13:32
                                        • I'm trying to think of changes in society that have succeeded. The anti-smoking campaign is one, and the anti-Union ... by bowser 2012-04-09 10:10:43
                                          • Individuals can make a difference, but they take heavy casualties, too. I respect and admire them, but I do not envy ... by ER 2012-04-09 11:15:18
                                            • I believe we all want our lives to have meaning. Those who know this also know we have to ... by bowser 2012-04-10 09:04:00
                                              • You're a wise man, Bowser. by ER 2012-04-10 10:26:49
                                                • You're very kind, and way too modest. And trapped. Your COPS activity is important in two ways. One is ... by bowser 2012-04-10 19:17:51
                                          More about corporate libertarianism. by ER April 9, 2012 4:23 am
                                          • All of these bong fantasies, including Carson's "Mutualism," fail in execution on one simple point: Who decides? by TB 2012-04-09 09:13:04
                                            • That's very simple, a problem which has been solved many times. Once the standards, values, or goals have been agreed upon ... by bowser 2012-04-09 09:31:29
                                              • The problem is NOT that free markets are a bad thing. On the contrary, they actually work. The problem is ... by ER 2012-04-09 09:40:28
                                                • I was once testifying before the Oregon House Ways and Means committee about increasing the budget for the Wage and ... by bowser 2012-04-09 09:52:39
                                                • "The community." Hall. Thumb. Now. by TB 2012-04-09 09:37:16
                                                  • It's a problem which has been solved many times. by bowser 2012-04-09 09:41:18
                                                    • Name them. Historical, please, not academic papers. by TB 2012-04-09 09:43:36
                                                      • I did. Two different methods. If you don't like the way I did it, try the Constitutions of ... by bowser 2012-04-09 09:56:23
                                                        • In the context of the ideology we're discussing, please. by TB 2012-04-09 10:00:49
                                                • I must have scored a hit. I see secondary explosions. by ER 2012-04-09 09:29:52
                                                  • We have the recent examples of Enron and WorldCom which debunk the idea a free market is workable in this ... by bowser 2012-04-09 09:39:52
                                                    • You realize you cough up the same two or three examples every time to "prove" that the free market can't work? by TB 2012-04-09 10:08:39
                                                      • Do you realize you've never refuted that? Do you realize that human nature needs to be a factor? ... by bowser 2012-04-09 10:32:16
                                                    • Friend, your shots didn't even hit the same ocean I'm in. by TB 2012-04-09 09:35:44
                                                      • Yeah, who decides? The guy who gets paid a bonus for selling as little as he can for as ... by ER 2012-04-09 09:45:28
                                                        • In the context of the references we were discussing please. by TB 2012-04-09 10:19:48
                                                          • You want references? by ER 2012-04-09 10:52:57
                                                  Corporate Libertarianism and the betrayal of Adam Smith by ER April 8, 2012 8:25 am
                                                  • "planned and managed by the world’s largest corporations to maximize financial returns to top managers" by RobVG 2012-04-08 12:18:17
                                                    • Tell us what a "straw man" argument might look like. by bowser 2012-04-08 14:16:46
                                                      • Not even kings of old had lackeys piling bags of gold at their feet. CEOs do it the same way the ... by ER 2012-04-08 13:06:20
                                                      • I constantly link to people who encapsulate my opinions better than I sometimes can. by TB 2012-04-08 10:24:34
                                                        • Another chapter from the same book, I see. by ER 2012-04-08 10:37:33
                                                          • You agree with the bulleted points? Tell me you're just pulling my chain. by TB 2012-04-08 14:04:59
                                                            • Yep. Every single one, although in a few areas I really don't have the technical expertise to have thought ... by ER 2012-04-08 14:49:04
                                                              • Okay, you are pulling my chain. by TB 2012-04-08 15:05:23
                                                                • I presume that banking gobbledygook has something to do with how our banks are organized and regulated, right? I ... by ER 2012-04-08 15:25:14
                                                                  • Yep. A whole lot of gobbledygook. by TB 2012-04-08 15:54:22
                                                                    • Silicon-based macroprocessors by Robert 2012-04-08 17:32:48
                                                                      • By the way, what the hell is a "corporate libertarian?" by TB 2012-04-08 20:29:12
                                                                        • "By the way, what the hell is a corporate libertarian?" by ER 2012-04-09 02:41:44
                                                                        • Get back to me when you've compiled a version of your software on one of those devices. by TB 2012-04-08 20:20:52
                                                                          • You're really out of your depth. by Robert 2012-04-09 10:17:22
                                                                            • I guess that makes three. by TB 2012-04-09 10:30:15
                                                                          • How about an SiO2 slide rule? Right out of the corporate libertarian box. by ER 2012-04-08 18:28:10
                                                                  • Love those bulleted points. Much better than working for the demise of the country. by bowser 2012-04-08 14:20:33
                                                              Just sayin' by Jody April 5, 2012 6:40 pm
                                                              • This is America, then. Equality. Responsibility. Opportunity. Let's give everyone an equal chance and let them ... by bowser 2012-04-06 14:34:01
                                                                • OMG...BOWSER! ...and you say I don't have a pulse on reality. It is indeed a strange world. Why don't you adopt a ... by Jody 2012-04-06 15:12:44
                                                                • So let's put it in simple terms then. Except for number four, the other points are essentially true (in ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-04-05 22:29:00
                                                                  • "Moral vacuum?" What do you think, Jody? by TB 2012-04-06 09:17:22
                                                                    • A "moral vacuum" is having children without health insurance. Go ahead - justify that. Morally. by bowser 2012-04-08 02:51:08
                                                                      • No... a moral vacuum is having children KNOWING you have no health insurance....and doing it anyway..thinking somebody else will pick ... by Jody 2012-04-08 09:18:35
                                                                        • So watching a child born to irresponsible parents do without health care is just fine. That is not a moral vacuum. ... by bowser 2012-04-08 10:20:24
                                                                          • Man....I had to look up *amoral* vs. *immoral*. Anyhoo....I don't consider being a Conservative to be immoral. You do. You are ... by Jody 2012-04-08 10:37:39
                                                                            • You believe that watching an American child not get health care is moral. Typical Conservative, Silly Putty substituting for brains. ... by bowser 2012-04-08 12:21:00
                                                                              • BOINGA BOINGA...that is my silly putty brain bouncing around the room...sorta like your logic. by Jody 2012-04-08 15:54:13
                                                                                • State and Federal governments, right now, spend something like $450 billion a year on medical care for those who can't afford it. by TB 2012-04-08 13:37:19
                                                                                  • Every other industrialized nation as national health care. America, which touts it'self as the richest nation in the world ... by bowser 2012-04-08 14:03:30
                                                                                    • What's the point of telling you anything at all? by TB 2012-04-08 14:24:33
                                                                                  • Funny how easy it is by RobVG 2012-04-08 12:55:29
                                                                                    • What about the kid, Rob? by bowser 2012-04-08 14:04:50
                                                                                      • "The Kid" by RobVG 2012-04-09 08:38:32
                                                                                        • Agreed Rob....and I think the average Josephine is completely overwhelmed by just about everything right now. Nothing...absolutely nothing is working ... by Jody 2012-04-09 08:47:02
                                                                                          • "Nothing…absolutely nothing is working how we would like it to." by TB 2012-04-09 09:30:19
                                                                                        • Well, I have lemme see...1,2,3,nope 7 extended family members that are doing just fine existing on government hand out programs. ... by Jody 2012-04-08 14:47:22
                                                                                        • Rob...seriously...I think you have hit the nail on the head. Bowser perceives himself a hero. A Robin Hood of sorts. Wow...this has ... by Jody 2012-04-08 13:11:23
                                                                                          • Like I said in a different post, it's a lot easier to wear a colored ribbon and yell for someone else to pay more taxes than to actually do something. by TB 2012-04-08 13:59:21
                                                                              • Your arguments as always are extremist. As if paying higher taxes is stealing every last penny from a billionaire. ... by BuckGalaxy 2012-04-06 12:12:45
                                                                                • You're missing the point, Buck. The rich don't want to pay any taxes at all. In fact, they want protectionism, ... by ER 2012-04-07 11:23:29
                                                                                  • When we had the tax rates of the 90s, spending was a trillion dollars less a year, in 2005 dollars. by TB 2012-04-06 12:58:10
                                                                                  • Well, there's a "moral vacuum" when the resources of a country are used to the benefit of the wealthy to ... by bowser 2012-04-06 11:50:49
                                                                                    • I understand what Buck means by moral vacuum because I have a Conservative brother in law who is a millionaire ... by Jody 2012-04-06 10:55:08
                                                                                      • I see that as an investment decision vs a moral decision. No one knows better than him whether his money would ... by FrankC 2012-04-06 12:02:09
                                                                                        • Yeah, but see, under the liberal "moral code" it's not his decision. by TB 2012-04-06 12:59:22
                                                                                          • What chaps my hide Tom...and this is a digression, but the liberals are every bit as guilty about passing *moral" ... by Jody 2012-04-06 13:34:54
                                                                                            • Exactly. He has a choice...and it is only himself he must answer to. It is all about personal accountability ... by Jody 2012-04-06 13:11:26
                                                                                    • Well, that certainly reads well. Sounds great. Let's ask how hard hedge fund managers, who contribute absolutely nothing repeat nothing ... by bowser 2012-04-05 19:28:02
                                                                                      • None of the things Jody wrote made the slightest dent, did it? by TB 2012-04-05 21:27:55
                                                                                        • I said they sound good. There's a simplistic ring to them, simplistic assumptions which appeal to people whose value ... by bowser 2012-04-05 23:21:41
                                                                                          • Valuing community. by RobVG 2012-04-07 10:30:32
                                                                                            • This is very simple. People who are willing to contribute to the well-being of those around them are interested ... by bowser 2012-04-08 02:49:56
                                                                                              • Thank you Rob...I couldn't have said it better. by Jody 2012-04-07 12:21:40
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